Permission to do What You Want

[00:00:00] Speaker A: We have rather an interesting podcast today because both Marheen and I forgot what we're supposed to be doing. So we've just had a conversation about permission and how it shows up in your life, how you give it to yourself, but also from my side of things, how that actually forms what's called locus of control. But anyway, welcome to humanizing. We're going to have some fun looking at digging around in our programming about where how permission and locative control rock up in your life every day. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Hello and welcome to humanizing, the podcast that allows you to understand how you've been programmed by both evolution and culture so you can liberate any behaviour you choose and be who you would like to be. [00:00:53] Speaker C: Today. [00:00:54] Speaker B: I'm Ginny. I'm the map holder. I'd like to introduce Marhin. [00:00:59] Speaker C: Hello. [00:01:00] Speaker B: Marhin is the explorer and together we will journey through this programming so you can understand through the questions you ask and definitely the questions Maheen asks, how to liberate yourself and be the most amazing person that you choose to be. [00:01:21] Speaker A: So how do you want to start to look at permission? How does permission show up in your life? [00:01:27] Speaker C: Oh my goodness. Permission show. Well, here's why we're in this episode. Hey, permission is probably one of the, has been one of the biggest things in my life. I come from a family where I had to ask a lot of permission to do lots of things and there's a set of rules I live my life by. I suppose that's a version of permission. I haven't done many. Smashing of those rules. Maybe, I don't know. [00:01:53] Speaker A: I smash rules all the time. [00:01:55] Speaker C: You smash rules all the time? I think I probably have smashed a few, but I've sought permission to smash them. Permissive rule, smashing we are. I think I've pushed myself out of my comfort zone more than once, but I'm very aware that there are certain things in life that I have got to do. I don't know whether that's because I come from a religious family and it's those rules. So it's permission to do it. Whether it's my mum and say my mum and dad, it's not my dad, it's definitely my mum. She was the role maker and super upper of things. [00:02:39] Speaker A: Permission is a really interesting word because where we started this conversation about ten minutes ago, listeners, was that I challenged Marheen that she didn't give herself enough permission to do the things she needed to do for herself. If it was for work, that was okay. Was this, that was okay. And what's truly interesting about what we do, and Mahi has just touched on some of those, is we've got rules in our head, we think we need to abide by and to a lot of them and a lot of the time, I think for women, maybe for men as well. But permission to do something for yourself is really difficult. And this is sort of where we externalize control over what we do. So we move into a state where we allow someone else, something else, a rule or regulation or a cultural dynamic to have power over what we do. And I also can't remember where this comes from, so I will have to look it up again. Locus of control. Right. So in loads of areas, where is your locus of control? Health, for example. Very strange situation. If you took doctor off the words of it and you'd go to a room and there's a desk in it, and you walk in and you sit not opposite. These days we've got a lot better. You can almost sit next to this person and they go, excellent. Go online that table and take all your clothes off. And you just would. And you don't even question it because you've literally handed over personal responsibility for you and your health to that person there with this stethoscope round their nest in the white coat. I mean, you could be anyone, for heaven's sake. But because the social structure says this is what you do, you do it without thinking about it. So your locus of control in that particular space and time has just been given to someone else and nowhere else. Would you ever go online with the table and take clothes off? Well, it's not really a table, is, it's a bed. Stop laughing. I know where you've gone. Ma. [00:04:55] Speaker C: Can I just ask, before we go any further, Jenny, if I may interrupt you. What's the locus of control? [00:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah, so locusts are the center of things, the literally mathematical pinpoint center of something. And so it's the center of control. And whether that center of control is inside you and you get to choose or you've given it away. [00:05:23] Speaker C: So this is really interesting, isn't it? Because we started talking about permission and we're into control. [00:05:31] Speaker A: Surely then if you're asking permission, you're giving control over something to someone else because you've said, can I? [00:05:38] Speaker C: Yeah, how about if it's. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Should I go on? What's the difference? We were looking at for you. Can I spend time on myself? Why are you asking someone else permission to spend time for you? And what would you mean by a should one? [00:06:02] Speaker C: I would say it's a different form of control depending on the weight of the should. So I should go here. I should do that. I should see this person. I should turn up. I should do all of those things. So you're being controlled by the should when you're asking, say, somebody for advice, should I do that? That goes into permission. [00:06:25] Speaker A: Then, okay, let's dig into should. Because should usually means something that ought to happen or must happen. That's a should. I've just looked it up. I like it. Versus could, which is could is talking about something that can happen. So should is, again still an order. It's still something that ought happen or must. So ought. Must are, again forms of social control. [00:06:55] Speaker C: Yeah, ought particularly. [00:06:57] Speaker A: Well, ought is a form of should, apparently. [00:07:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Having looked it up. And I also think if you ask should, you are self reflecting. [00:07:08] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's a really good way of putting it. [00:07:12] Speaker A: It's almost that first step to understanding whether all exists. Because you go, should I do this? And once you said should, you can sit there and go, who profits? Our favorite one. So I think if you catch yourself going should, which is the first way of starting to break some of the permission and permission, aka locus of control rules. You can go, who profits? And if it's not you and it's not the human race, why are you doing it? [00:07:45] Speaker C: Yeah, perfect. I really like that. That's really nice. [00:07:50] Speaker A: It's powerful. Well, that's what all we ever wanted to do, wasn't it, for people, is give them power over these situations they get into. And we could look at the number of different places this shows up for you. Because it doesn't just happen at home and from parental structures or externally legal structures. But there are all these unwritten social structures. Like, I know we've all worked in organizations where someone always in a position of responsibility, supposedly they're senior, right? And they'll go today, and I'm going to use a silly one. Blue is pink and the whole organization, we all do it. We all go, yeah, blue is pink today. And we'll behave like blue is pink. And yet we all know that's wrong. But because in that sort of structure, and this is sort of digging into that this is where trust, power and control come from and how we as a group decide who we trust, who we give power to, and therefore how we are controlled. Go on. Sorry. [00:09:07] Speaker C: The power of permission means that what you are able to do is a word I like. A huge amount is resist. There is resistance to the power and control that you might find yourself in, in a situation where you feel like you are the less powerful. [00:09:33] Speaker A: So you can be, interestingly, how trust, power and truth show up and also the power of permission. And when you say resistance, a lot of people are going to go, resistance doesn't make me feel very good. Resistance is telling me if I resist something, I mean, it's got very, very negative connotations. The word resist because it means the actual word actually meet, like resistance forces or. Exactly. Whether it's in physics or it's resistance forces in a conflict situation, because I must state that one person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist, depends on your viewpoint. Always. Then what we're actually looking at is your ability to, as we've always done in these things, take power back for yourself. And even the language we use in English tells you you shouldn't be doing it because you're challenging a structural thing that might exist. I suppose you could also resist a sweet or a cake. [00:10:48] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely. [00:10:51] Speaker A: But there's still a negative thing. It's a bit like something you want to. So in one respect, sometimes is it something I want to do? But I shouldn't pass that word again. I shouldn't. And we've talked about that in sort of cake terms and how it enters your head and your body's telling you to eat it, because we didn't have a lot of that stuff. But the ones I think are really pertinent for us to look at are the structure, the power structures that exist in your own world and whether you're just unconsciously capitulating to what they are. [00:11:32] Speaker C: Unconsciously capitulating. [00:11:35] Speaker A: Lovely. Well, we do, I think, probably like the doctor. [00:11:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:42] Speaker A: Most people unconsciously just do it. [00:11:47] Speaker C: I had a conversation with a friend recently who, her dad is waiting for an operation. It has been months, and he is an incredibly successful man in his life and in his business and et cetera, et cetera. But when it comes to sitting in front of a doctor and pushing for the thing that he requires, he almost sort of bows down to this notion of they're the person who knows more than me, and I'm not going to ask any questions and I'm not going to push. And I know a lot of people who I think would behave that way who would go, I'm not going to push the doctor. I'm not going to push the doctor. [00:12:25] Speaker A: Oh, no, they don't. [00:12:26] Speaker C: Yeah, but then I come from a family of doctors, so I'm a bit like, they're just people. They're definitely not going to get it right all the time. And I was taught to, my mum is a doctor and said from a very young age, push. I watched her push the gps, I've watched her push dentists, I've watched her push because for her we are overstretched, we're overworked, we're tired, we want to do the right thing for all of our patients. We're not trying to be anything other than helpful and useful, but we're also people. And it's okay if you and we've got such different language to describe the same thing. Don't leave. If you're not happy with the care you've received, don't leave, don't walk away. Advocate for yourself, right? [00:13:09] Speaker A: Advocate. So you've taken control back, but for millennia. Not millennia, but for a very long time in England and I would assume a lot of other systems, there are certain professions who you go to for advice, because they would know more than you do, and therefore you invest in them a trust that what they say is right. And it's very, very hard in some respects, and also in certain age groups to go, no, that's wrong, right? Or you could be wrong. I mean, for me, I think I've spent my life, these last bastions of they must be right kept being pushed over the edge of the cliff like lemming. And I fundamentally, one of my first jobs, I was a GP rep and as in general practitioner, hospital pharmacy, we used to go around selling drugs. Not those drugs and not my car. And we don't even sell them. All we could do was talk about them. It's very funny, you could never take an order, so you never actually sold anything. However, and this is back in the day, there were no treatments for osteoporosis. So as soon as an osteoporosis is when it's female disease, when the osteoblasts things that build cells, hence b bone cells, don't fill completely the holes. The osteoclasts, because it's a sea, have eaten. That's how I always remembered it. Anyway. Nice blasts, build clast, eat big holes like pacman. Anyway, osteoporosis is caused when there isn't, because your bones are rebuilt. I think about every 18 months when the system between the clasps and the blast goes wrong and there's not enough pullback. When we launched this, there were some treatments around which built bone, but not very strong. Bone fluoride is one of those treatments. And on the other side we had something. We had what was called, it's a bisphosphonate. And what bisphosphonates do is they literally protect the bone so the things can't eat as much. Right. That was it. But it had really good results. It's now 25 years later. It's a standard treatment for osteoporosis. If you haven't protected your bone with HRT, just know any woman out there, protect your bone. Do weight bearing exercise, take your HRT. Oestrogen is needed for the balance between osteoclasts and osteoblasts. [00:15:54] Speaker C: Okay? [00:15:54] Speaker A: But there was a geriatrician in a large hospital in London. It wasn't a teaching hospital, it was very large hospital. And this person insisted she was going to stay, treating all these old ladies with fluoride and she had all the data and she did all the stuff and her other geriatricians were all switching over and she refused to. And yet those poor patients had no choice. [00:16:30] Speaker C: Right? [00:16:31] Speaker A: They had no idea there was a better treatment out there or they had no idea to choose a different treatment. I remember that day I walked out the hospital and I thought, doctors use drugs or prescribe drugs like other people choose washing powder. It's what they're comfortable with. [00:16:55] Speaker C: Wow. [00:16:55] Speaker A: And that, for me, that was it. I was like, no, even you now have fallen off the cliff. But for me, I always ask why. Marhin and I have worked together a lot now. I asked why. I spent my whole life asking why. And if someone can't give me a decent answer to why. And they're trying to be dogmatic. It's the way it always is. It is like this and I'm like, no, it's not. I want to know more. And if you don't know more, I'm going to go and find out. [00:17:25] Speaker C: That was my childhood frustration, I think, for my mum was why? And it was never because I said so or because of this. That couldn't have been the answer because I said so. Because why are you saying so? What's making you say that thing? [00:17:44] Speaker A: Your challenge to someone when you're saying why is actually to look at this locus of control issue. Because as you said, you can use any type of religious framework and adhere to that dogmatically. Personally, I've always wanted to know where they all came from and why they all exist and who's actually deciding something for me, especially if I've never met them and I don't know who they are. But that knocks on something I think, which is really interesting, is we agree to be policed. Casseternly we agree to be policed to a set of rules most of us have never seen by a group of people. Most of us have no idea who they are. And yet, because everyone else agrees, we seem to have agreed. [00:18:42] Speaker C: The unwritten rules of society. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Yes, but that's again about permission. We've handed over our locus of control for looking after us as a group of people to external body that we've never met, we don't know. And I definitely never signed a contract with. And I'm not saying that all the rules are right or wrong. What I'm saying is we've agreed that, and it's something you've just agreed. So you'll abide by the highway code and you'll do all these things. Some of them make perfect sense, but other of them you go, why are you doing that? Permission to protest. [00:19:24] Speaker C: That's not a permission anybody should ever have to seek. [00:19:27] Speaker A: Well, the way certain rules are changing and regulations are changing, then on one hand we say that we have right to free speech, and then the other hand we say, well, you can't do it. To put in a large group of people. [00:19:45] Speaker C: It's not a thing, really. [00:19:49] Speaker A: Why I think one of my things is why they're trying to do that is we are going through one of the most fundamental periods of power shifting culture we've probably seen for 200 years, 300 years. Okay, you're frowning at me. You can't see. Mahin is literally going, what the hell she on about? Now? [00:20:16] Speaker C: I want you to talk about that more, right? [00:20:18] Speaker A: So what we see now is different sections of our entire society are having mild power than they ever did. So if you look at the fact that we can, some people have a real problem with this. Alter our history, take down statues that represent something we don't like, right? This, for me, and is representing one of those cultural shifts, because one of the things about societies is how we remember who we are. Changes. And people go, what do you mean? Well, we tell ourselves stories and we write them down. These are histories, but history changes. It's a concept which was discovered in victorian age by a load of load. Listen to me. Some anthropologists who are out there go look at cultures, go look at things no one else had ever done anyway. They did. Samuel Hearn was one of them and he looked at a lot of North American and, well, let's include Canada and North America. But I'm not sure the Canadians were quite like that, their indigenous cultures. And what was quite surprising was because they were writing it down the history of the culture shifted over a period of 30 or 40 years. The origin story of the culture had changed and it had changed quite significantly because from, let's say, and I'm going to get this bit wrong, but let's say there were five children of a God, and they then affected how the rest of the origin story went out. And then 40 years later or 50 years later, there'd been an eruption in one of these mountains and there were only four mountains now, not five, because the other one had got flat top and there were only four gods now. And what they'd saw was the oral history because obviously they couldn't write it down. It's just oral history. It's held by remembering stories. And remember stories are one of the first technologies human beings ever invented to remember things. It had changed and they were shocked when they read that. And they said, look, we wrote this down. We set this in stone. It's concrete now. We wrote it down, it must be real. And they go, no, it's not. Look, four mountains, not fine. You wrote it down wrong. And this creates something that's called dynamic memory, which is how we tell the stories about who we are, changes with the environment we're in. And what I believe we're seeing at the moment is a power shift to, instead of being a patriarchal system where trust, pray and truth are held by the top, by one particular set of people, it's shifting. And the system in place doesn't like that shift and will try and maintain its status quo because a, it believes it's right and C, it doesn't want anyone else to take power away from it. But inexorably you can see that happening. And if we did have a time machine, we could leap forward 200 years. Oh God, I wish. Can you get me one? We need one. Or we need the man, the person, sorry, in the blue box with the flashing light to come and allow us to nick it. Because I fundamentally believe in 200, 250 years will have shifted again and power will be somewhere else. But this is what I believe we're seeing at the moment is this inexorable change which will have done. Human beings have been doing this for 8 million years. Do you think I've said that enough over the past number of weeks? I think they might remember it's 8 million years. [00:24:18] Speaker C: I hope so, but let's keep telling. [00:24:20] Speaker A: Yeah, because it has and it will. We are this continuum, and power will shift. It shifted to where we are here about 5000 years ago. It will shift again. But one of those shifts and it doesn't happen without us. [00:24:42] Speaker C: So we have to give it permission to shift. [00:24:44] Speaker A: Yeah, well, we have to first of all give ourselves permission to go. The rules are wrong. [00:24:50] Speaker C: I think this is the biggest thing, if I'm honest. Permission to think differently. Because that's where it all lies, right? Critical thinking. Analyzing critical thinking. Like we say, who profits? Who is in control? Why do they want you to think that? What do they gain as a result of you thinking that? Who are they? [00:25:15] Speaker A: Yeah, go back to that. Then I'll ask you that question. So to go on, we were talking about something Mahin could gone on, but apparently the only way she could go is she gave and this isn't now. This is a while ago. As long as it was a work, she could put it under the work banner. She could give herself permission to go. Why? If you went back through the thinking, the critical path, who profits? Because you're an amazing critical thinker when it comes to everything else you do. Going to put you on the spot now. [00:25:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:51] Speaker A: You're in the mastermind chair. [00:25:55] Speaker C: Why? I think the permission to do something for work is endless. Really? Because it is something that I have been taught is incredibly important to do and I should do it to the best of my ability. And I'm definitely a grafter. I got a job when I was 15. I got my national insurance card and walked down the road to the local hairdressers and got a Saturday job. I've had a job ever since. I've never ever been out of work because I don't think I could. [00:26:34] Speaker A: So is it the work? Here's the difference. Or is it paid work? [00:26:42] Speaker C: Paid work. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Okay, let's dig into that. So it only matters if you're getting an energy stroke economic exchange. Then you can give yourself permission. Why? [00:27:02] Speaker C: Because what the hell is it? If I'm not getting that exchange, what am I doing it for? [00:27:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So is underneath there the fact that the exchange is only worthwhile if there is an economic attachment to it, as in money. [00:27:24] Speaker C: No, the exchange doesn't have to be worthwhile economically. However, I live in a world where my time, when I'm working, should be fairly reimbursed. So if I'm not working, I'm very happy to never consider it. But that's when I'm on holiday. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Okay, but this was a retreat. A retreat? [00:27:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:58] Speaker A: I'm going to stop that. It was somewhere to go to think for yourself. Right. And to look at things. Why did you have to be paid by someone else to go and do something that was for you. [00:28:10] Speaker C: So the reason I went on that retreat was because I was working for the company that put them on and they said they were talking about these things a lot and they were asking me to do some work around the retreat. And I said it is really hard for me to understand what the retreat is without having attended it. And so they said, well, then, come on. It. [00:28:37] Speaker A: Yeah, but I'm just how I feel. You wanted to do that sort of thing anyway, but it's like you had to have all of this stuff over here to do something for yourself. [00:28:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I would never have booked myself. Why never? [00:28:53] Speaker A: Why wouldn't you give yourself permission? [00:28:57] Speaker C: I don't know. I'm not sure what I would known that what I was giving myself permission to do. [00:29:03] Speaker A: Okay, what's the outcome? For heaven's sake, we're not at work. This is really interesting. It's like we can only do something if I know what's going to happen as a consequence of me spending time. Because again, spending time is a quantity and I've got to have done something positive. I've got to have done something economically viable with that time. Really? Do you go read a book for fun? I really do. [00:29:34] Speaker C: But the outcome is that I'll enjoy myself. Will I? I'm furious when I don't enjoy a book. [00:29:42] Speaker A: Interesting. So everything you do, here's a rule you're abiding by. Then everything you do has to have the outcome you think you want from it. [00:29:51] Speaker C: No, everything has to have an outcome I can identify probably before I start it. Why? What's the point? I'm going to point my finger at my religious upbringing. [00:30:02] Speaker A: I'm blaming that. Okay, so if you could take that away, what would you let yourself do? How would you be curious? [00:30:19] Speaker C: Gosh, who knows? I'm going to say that I feel like it's not a bad thing to have an outcome in mind as long as what you don't do is turn away from experiences, opportunities and paths as they come up. That might bring you a different outcome, but you're still happy. And I also think having an outcome in mind is what allows us as individual human beings to know what our boundaries and our personal rule sets are. [00:30:53] Speaker A: I also have said that's a set of limitations because you are arbitraging risk. You are saying to yourself, risk. Yeah, you're arbitraging risk because you're saying, I will do this. As long as it meets these criteria, I will do this. And the thing is, it's a bit like, here's something I've started to do recently which I've decided I'm positively crazy about, is it's the middle of winter and I go in the cold sea, right? It is flipping freezing. There is no obvious outcome. It's probably good for your health, but it's like, why do it also take me three years to be able to go? Three years? What am I talking about? Seven and a half years to be able to go and do that. If you measure the outcome, you're going to get against a set of criteria, you reduce your ability to risk. [00:31:58] Speaker C: So why did it take you seven and a half years to do it? [00:32:02] Speaker A: Oh, because I spent most of my life chasing after an economic future based on other people's criteria. So I never had the time. And actually, it wasn't the time, it was the fact I was doing other things with my time than things I should have been doing. And changes depending when this comes out. We do look at change, change and transformation and doing something easier with someone else. And I've got someone else to go now. [00:32:28] Speaker C: Yeah, you got somebody else who is. [00:32:31] Speaker A: But they're just as risky. If you look at human, the things that have driven human beings forward over the years, it's the fact that we are actually quite risking fire, cooking something on fire. We don't know the outcome. We think we might, and it's very hard to go back to those mindsets. [00:32:55] Speaker C: But mushrooms are a great example of risk taking. There's a great. Yeah. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Anyway, get it back. We're coming back to you. [00:33:03] Speaker C: Oh, sorry. [00:33:04] Speaker A: Right. Because I think this is other people as well. Why set up a criteria for doing something? It's almost everything is rule bound. I need to give myself permission to do this. I need to know what the potential outcome could be, even if it is a number of paths. I've written that down here. How would you think you'd look at something differently if you said it either profits me or human society? [00:33:34] Speaker C: Well, I think if I look at it, it either profits me or human society, which is kind of where I am a bit more now in my life now. They are my boundaries, my rules, the things I want. And as long as they're not hurting anybody or hurting me, I'm a bit more inclined to do it, though I'm conscious. I love that. [00:34:00] Speaker A: I'm a bit more inclined to know. I'm still going to sit here and watch. Sorry, I am being mean. I'm pushing you really hard, but I think this is where so many people are, which is I've never, ever examined why I do what I do. And even if I do, I then go into a self justification loop, which still makes me sit in the box I was put in instead of questioning why the box exists. And even if I set myself rules for stuffing, why am I doing it? [00:34:28] Speaker C: Yeah. And then if you land in a place where you say, I like that rule, that rule is going to keep me safe, right? So I benefit because I feel safe, emotionally, physically, mentally, wherever that safety lies, it's exactly the right thing for me to do. It may not suit you or the other person next to me, that's okay. But I'm not making myself unsafe. I'm not making you unsafe. No. [00:34:52] Speaker A: I would also, though, sometimes, because this is my journey, which would be one of my not making myself unsafe things was I must have a monthly salary, and yet that hugely limited my ability to do the things. I'm obviously brilliant at this, being one of them, writing and being an author, being the other. I'd never have done those if I'd always held that rule. [00:35:18] Speaker C: There you go. Interestingly, I never held that rule. I actually found that rule incredibly restricting. [00:35:25] Speaker A: But that's what I'm trying to say. So if someone's listening, examine the rules you have. [00:35:32] Speaker C: That you have. Yeah. [00:35:33] Speaker A: Where is your locus of control? Why is it sitting there? Is it different from your health to your job, to your family, to these, and just sit and listen? And as Mahim would say, think about it. So instead of just behaving, feel, think and stop between feel and think, why? If it doesn't make the world better for me or for other people, why am I doing it? That's specifically my journey over the past year. And some of them are so hard to walk away from, because you're right, because they make you safe. But some things that make you safe aren't good for you. [00:36:19] Speaker C: Absolutely. And that's one of the hardest things in the world, is to recognize that sometimes your safety is to your detriment, particularly emotionally. I've been reading a lot recently about various therapies and things, and I read a quote by a wonderful female author who said, your system will choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar heaven. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Oh, totally. I think we do that all the time, because the unfamiliar bit kicks off your fear risk quotient, and you go, this might be shit, but it's easier to stay in the shit because I have to risk to get out of that. But this is that bit where I wanted to bring people back to the fact that we attach all of these programmings back to our baseline fear mechanism. If you don't sit there and break that, you'll find it difficult to move forward because it will always bring you back. So if you're frightened, why, if it's a brawl, why does it exist? None of us get stuff right all the time. We can't. And trying to be perfect is one of the systems that is, it's easier to sit within than break out again because it's what you were taught. I think that's probably a really good place to finish here today. And if you're sitting there going, oh, what shall I do now? Let's go back to something we said at the beginning, which is if you find yourself doing something or you want to question what you are doing, where does that locus of power lie? Where does that, is it internally to you, or have you already given it away? And if you've given it away and you're abiding by those who profits, I find a problem with that now, because that's about money. It doesn't have to be. Could just be energy. Who profits? Is it you? Is it the human race? And if it's not, stop for a second and think. That was a bit serious. Anyway, have a. Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, all we ever wished for you was the ability to find your own path, be your own person, and not be controlled by programming that exists in either evolution or culture. Have a wonderful day. Bye bye. [00:39:14] Speaker B: Thank you for listening. [00:39:16] Speaker C: Thank you for coming on the journey with me, with us. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Well, you're the explorer Maheen. [00:39:22] Speaker C: I'm off. I'm bashing into the undergrowth of our. [00:39:26] Speaker B: Brains and into all that programme prodding around, gallivanting within that programming. What we want to do, as we've always done with us, is help you understand why you feel the thoughts that you do and then the behavior behind that. So you have a choice of how you behave and who profits by it. And if it's not you and it's not humankind, then stop and think and go. Who's controlling who's behind my steering wheel? So I want to invite you back. Whether you're on a walk, going for the train, on that commute, taking a bath, even cooking, driving a car, wherever you find yourself, come and find us. We will be waiting. Channel.